Category: Cell Phone Talk
Hi,
For those of you interested in iOS7, I thought this Maccessibility review might be of interest. http://maccessibility.net/2013/09/18/review-ios-7-and-voiceover/
I also understand that Applevis should have podcasts ready to go now that iOS 7 has been released, but I haven't checked them out yet.
Thanks. Mine is just about done installing so I'll check it out. I saw a few things I had no clue about in the small review posted by the update itself so it'll be interesting to play around with.
Hi, Can you install the update on the phone itself using voiceover or do you have to have it connected to a computer and use itunes? I heard you can't do it with voiceover on the phone itself. Can someone clear that up for me?
Hi,
Yes you can do it with Voiceover. It's best to have it connected to aC power, and it won't update at all unless it's plugged in if you have less than 50% battery left.
The disadvantage of doing it on the phone itself is that after the update has downloaded, the phone will go quiet while the update installs until it restarts. This could be over 15 minutes, so if you get twitchy when your phone isn't talking to you, you might want to use iTunes so you can keep an eye on the status. If for some reason something does go wrong, itunes will also read you any errors.
I decided to wear the risk of something going wrong and installed it on the phone itself without any problems.
I did three phones, and an iPad direct from software updates with no problems.
I did mine with iTunes, model 4S and had to reset voice over after the update, due to the phone not wanting to go to the regular lock screen so I could finish the update process.
Not difficult, but it require a computer or sighted help if you don't have a helper I'd think.
The phone did talk, but it was useless.
I did not reset, only voice over.
Yeah, just let it be during the update. I got anxious while it was restarting and made the phone reset, then plugged it in to my computer to try from ITunes, and hit the button that says restore to factory settings because the phone still wasn't responding. I had all my crap wiped from my phone, but luckily I had everything backed up so I'm retrying now.
Idid it first with the phone which had to be finished at home because my work internet is slow, it did not want to install at first but it finally got done. So, what do I think of IOS7!, I actually like this update, it made my phone faster aapps open faster. I am not a fain of OS' borrowing features but the control center is great!!. This featurer can be found in android phone specifically samsung phones but I am really glad I do not have to go to settings just to turn off or on wyfi, blue tooth and other settings!!. I Have not played with eerie but I will come back here and let you all know what I think. Please lets keep this on topic not began the android bashing because of my reference to the control center. Trust me, what IOS7 control center currently has now, android has had it sense 4.0.
Where do I go to get the premium voices? When I updated, it went to the compact voices and I can barely understand the thing. I looked under general, accessibility, voiceover and even language and dialogs, but I can't find my premium voices. Thanks.
There is an article on www.applevis.com that might help you Anthony.
I have not tried it, but saw it there when reading some other post.
for the premium voices; settings, general, accessability, voiceover. make sure use compact voice is off. also, go into languages and dialects. here you will see your voices and can download the premium voices. remember, it takes a while for them to download.
I updated the phone just fine, while it was plugged into my docking station.
I knew it'd restart when it finished, so I wasn't antsy about that.
Any experiences running it on an iPhone 4? I'm worried about updating since I hear performance may be bad.
the iPod Touch 4th generation would not update at all. Apparently iPhone 4 will but I have not talked to my coworker who has a 4.
Starfly, more than Samsung phones have the control center also, the Wife's lower-end Android phone from T-Mobile has just that. And you're right this is a direct Android copy it seems, though I have less of a problem with that than most people.
I did fine updating mine via the phone. I'm proud to say I don't have iTunes anymore and use the phone exclusively from iCloud.
I'll write back in a day or so if my coworker updates his.
I'm finding the 4S to be fine. Some things are a tad slower but nothing major. Mainly to get to the unlock screen takes a second and also starting some apps.
I'll say I really do like the idea of being able to turn off VoiceOver sounds from the rotor, since I don't really want clickety clack if I am using just Braille in a meeting.
I did it yesterday night!
Really enjoy the update specially the control center! Man why they didn't do it before. It was missing so much!
I like VO performances. Phone moves smooth and until now allmost no problems at all!
So what happened to that little slider in the app store? At the bottom right, above the Updates tab, where you slide to move the pages to the next app in Search or whatever.
I'm not complaining, I think probably I am doing something rwong or the new store has another way to do that. Anyone seen this? Since upgrading from 6.2 or whatever it was, the slider went away when I was in Search, and I couldn't see how to move from app to app.
anyone having problems hearing their text message alerts? I thought I had fixed it, but apparently not. I can hear every other alert just fine. strange.
We got that fix.
Post it Chelsea.
The app store is a bug, so the work around is to load apps with the computer I'd say.
You get the app on the phone same as if you used the phone.
I have seen the 4 will update and even improve, but I'd ask Apple to be sure.
Hi Leo,
You should just be able to flick right and left between apps rather than having to adjust the slider now.
I know what you mean about not using iTunes, but there are two good reasons why you might want to when backing up.
Firstly, an iTunes backup will back up the version of the app on your phone. An iCloud backup will keep a record of you having purchased or downloaded the app from the Appstore, and will download it from the Appstore when you restore from an iCloud backup. This obviously doesn't work if the app has been pulled from the Appstore, and if the app developer has released a new version in which the accessibility has been degraded, then you're stuck with the new version.
Secondly, if you make an encrypted backup from iTunes, it backs up absolutely everything including passwords. An iCloud backup won't. Apologies if you knew this already but I thought it was worth posting.
Nah I didn't know that already, so thank you sir very much. Most appreciated.
Hi Chelsea,
I've not had the problem, but I went into sounds and set them all back to the classic ones so that might be why.
no, Wayne, it isn't fixed, hence why I posted about it.
Ed, I switched mine back to the old sound I had for texting, to no avail. are you saying you switched all the sounds back to the classic ones? if so, maybe that's the answer.
I did, but I had to do it individually so don't know how much difference it makes. I also increased my ringer and alert volume from the very low setting that iOS 7 adopted by default, but I'm guessing you did that too if you can hear your other alerts.
yes, the volume is at 53 percent.
I've done some Googling, and apparently, this is happening to others, as well. so, my guess is that it's a bug.
Not sure how to explain it, since my hearing might just be playing tricks on me, but the whole volume thing seems to be off somehow. I can't get the key clicks to be at a comfortable level with the rest of the sounds in my games and such. It's dealable, but I did have to play around with it, and it confused me some.
And thanks for the premium voices tips. I got them all working now. For those of you who need a bit of extra tone in the voices, the south African and Irish English both work great, though the volume is a bit lower on those. You can always fix that by adjusting the volume of the voice in the rotor though.
As far as copying goes, I think lots of companies copy each other. If Apple has now copied Android, this is probably why they're not making such a fuss about FS copying Apple when it comes to things like the rotor and flicks.
Hmm, I can't decide if I want to update my 4 to IOS 7 or just wait a few more days until I get my 5S.
for those who have an iPhone4 and wondering if they should upgrade to iOS 7 or not, i think it is somewhat a bet that you need to take. I have been hearing, reading, different respondses with iPhone4 and iOS 7's performance. Some said its slowing a tack but nothing major, some consider is slagging, and so on.
Bare in mine, most of these respondses are not having vo turn on. My guess is that with vo, it will slagg a little, as far as how much, is that consider as barable, well, that is something that is depend on individuals.
iOS 7 is not available for iPod touch 4th gen.
It probably also depends what you want the iPhone 4 for. If you're upgrading to the 5S but plan to have the 4 as a spare in a drawer, then you'll probably need to upgrade it as otherwise you won't be able to restore a backup of the 5S onto the 4 should you ever need to.
If you're not upgrading, then as Joanne says, it's probably a matter of whether you want to take a chance or not.
I tried to update my 4s earlier today, and 3 times it said update failed. I bet it's because of everybody trying to update though. applevis has an entire list of bugs. has anybody experienced the bug where the creeen repeats your last action if your finger is even close to the screen? that's weird. like they say it'll keep flicking even when you aren't touching the screen directly.
This is certainly an interesting update. The handwriting feature is particularly unique. I was wondering about those premium voices though. Having turned Compact voice off and downloading the US english enhanced voice, I didn't notice even a slight change. I wonder if I'm doing something wrong, perhaps?
I updated my iPhone 4 to iOS 7 with no problems. It seems to be working well so far. I haven't gotten any texts since, so I don't know whether I can hear that alert or not.
I have an iPhone 4 and have not really seen any features on the list that particularly attract me; are there any compelling reasons to upgrade if all you really use your phone for is texting, calling, and a bit of Skype now and again?
My update failed 3 times, but finally went through with the flaw I talked about above.
My voice, the default, and everything came back to usual after I reset voice over.
The ringers are low, but I had mine low the whole time I've had the phone, so maybe crank them up.
I am planning on switching tomorrow, so haven't gotten to involved except for setting things as I want them generally so that I can load them on to the new phone as I've been using them.
Might be asking for even more trouble by upgrading so soon as well. Sometimes the phones themselves have flaws the first few months.
Updated the iPhone 5 just fine, but I'm going to upgrade to the 5s sometime. VoiceOver seems to be a little slow in this update, and I absolutely hate how Samantha sounds now, even with the premium voice. Other than that, the OS is pretty nice. I truly enjoy iTunes Radio.
I also know someone who updated their 4. no issues other than a slow install.
like it so far and need to test this hand writing thing.
to post 30: Seems like there are quite a number of people reporting some bugs to do with the screen sensativity. Personally i don't have that issue. I do find that it is more susceptible to fingers pressure and a quicker responds. This for some could consider as screen sensativity. I take it is the responds time for justure ditaction is shorter than previous OS, and also you need very very little pressure to move the screen, not thumping or brushing or scribing the screen like i know some blind people tent to do.
I totally agree! I feel that the screen responds faster. I am quite delicate with the gestures so maybe that's why! But I feel with a little touch, that the phone answers better than previous Ios version!
I am still debating on updating. I have heard of a ton of bugs. I am going to mess around on my fiancé's for first since he has updated. I want to see exactly what is going on. Even though he has a four and not the for S I can get an idea of weather Or not I will like it.
I have seen the scrolling issues but I'm not sure it's a deal breaker. Just use the top or bottom of screen commands if you need, to focus the screen visually on that area.
Joanne, being heavy handed on touch screens is a problem, but I hadn't heard of it being unique to the blind. I've heard it comes from us who've used things with buttons on them for generation. If you see someone who bangs on a keyboard, for instance, that is usually someone who had to type on a typewriter for some time. Hard habit to break. I gave up trying to break the habit of banging on keyboards, I'm still one who puts power into it for some reason. But with the touch screens I'm making some effort to learn it.
I heard someone say recently, we shouldn't tell people swipe to unlock, or swipe up to delete, we should say glide. Let's face it, it's glass. What do you usually do when swiping on glass? You're cleaning it and usually not just some light touch, not if you want to get that bird turd or dead fly off the window.
Anyway I have tried to break myself of this by thinking of glide and not swipe, and touch not tap, and touch and hold, not tap and drill.
These I have all gotten from sighted people who have the same issues. I think you're not dealing with lack of photons here, but a generational thing or people used to buttons.
yes, what leo is saying makes sense. I know I'm young, but I've always had a little trouble getting used to the light touch thte screen requires.
and, I'm one who has encountered the bug where the screen is more sensitive, almost, I'd argue, to a fault.
I haven't really had any issues either with the update, other than the screen seeming a bit more sensative as well. I had to update nine apps today, so it's good they're keeping up with things staying up to date.
OMG! I got my 5S today and I think I'm in love. I've never had Siri before so she's my new best friend. lol I haven't had any of the problems that yall mentioned but I hav also noticed there's already an update to 7.01.
Leo, your descriptions of hard touches are histerical and spot on. lol
I've noticed the on screen keyboard is much faster and more responsive with IOS 7. The control center is nice too. Also, I love the dictation feature. It even works in some search fields.
So far I haven't found anything I don't like.
I thought I'd use Siri, before I actually got an iPhone that had it, but now that I own one, I'd much rather, you know, actually do the typing myself. lol.
in reference to the new update, wow, that was fast. I figured it'd be a while before they released it.
I didn't notice the touch screen sensitivity right away, but today, while sending an email on my phone, I noticed it. My fingertip just barely glazed the screen, and VO jumped ahead a few flicks. I don't think it's a deal-breaker though; I'll just need to be more aware and a bit more careful. I'm liking a lot of the iOS 7 features, but I've also noticed VO is a big laggy in certain spots (unlocking the screen being one of them).
yeah, hopefully, they'll fix the lagging issue.
as for the update, I have yet to see it.
I don't use Siri much for finding things out. The exception to this is if I'm on a fairly long street looking for a specific number, I've found it to be reasonably accurate when I want to know how far down I am. Not perfect but sometimes quicker than using one or more dedicated GPS apps.
I don't think we'll be seeing that update. From what I read, it's only for iPhones 5S and 5C.
I do like that Siri can now turn VoiceOver on. We were always able to activate it ourselves using iTunes, but simply asking Siri to enable Voiceover is a lot faster!
What about Siri turning on and off bluetooth and wi-fi? Isn't it great! I use Siri much more now! Pitty it's not available in portuguese yet!
But the ridiculous thing is what I most love in Siri:
"Wake me up tomorrow" And then she asks me at what time and she creates an alarm for me for the desired time! I simply love it! Lol
those are awesome uses for Siri, I'll admit.
I think the male voice for Siri sounds kinda creepy though. lol
I like how I can tell Siri to open apps. That saves me allot of time because I have seeral.
The main reason I found out about the update was because when I brought my new phone home, all buttoned up and working beautifully, I had the grand idea to restore it from the backup of my old phone so all my apps and everything would be just as they were. Oops, big mistake because I didn't realize it would also revert back to IOS 6.1. Then I had to update back to 7 and then again to 7.01. It scared me for a minute because I thought I had really screwed the pooch but everything is working perfectly now and my apps are all just like they were. That's a good thing because I had spent allot of time rearranging them. lol
That's awesome about creating the alarms. I need to do allot more playing with Siri.
So Shelly, your last post brings up a question for me. So far I've been thinking not to update my iPhone 4, because I'm not sure how well it'll handle iOS 7. The phone is already sluggish as it is, and I'm afraid upgrading will just make it even more so. I planned to get my 5S, which should be here in about ten days, and just bring my apps on to it from iCloud. But you're saying that if I do that, the 5S will revert to iOS 6? Hmm, maybe I should update my 4 after all. Interesting.
I'm not sure if it will or not. I'm not the greatest or most competent ITunes user. lol Here's what happened. When I plugged in the phone, it asked me if I wanted to set it up as a new IPhone or if I wanted to restore from a previous backup. I had backed up my old phone the day before for this very reason so I chose that option. That's when it reverted to the previous IOS. Someone more fluent in ITunes can probably tell you a better way to do this.
Here is what you need to do.
When you are going to get your 5S upgrade your 4 to IOS 7, set everything as you want it to be, and back it up.
Now when you get your 5S simply restore from the backup. All 5S settings will stay the same that aren't on your 4.
Some apps may not come, and if you haven't updated apps, you'll be the update list in the app store under updates.
Speaking of the apps store, the bug is gone with 7.01 or the 5S we were having before it seems. The app store seems to work well.
I think the language should be changed from tapping to touching, and so forth. I have seen blind and sighted people slapping these babies. Gentle is the way.
You got 64 bits and faster responses, you need to be gentale.
When I've posted you have noticed me changing the language.
I personally don't find any feature on the 5S any better for the blind that the 4 4S and 5 didn't have, it is just nicer as to smoothness. Not really faster.
I didn't notice any lag on my 4S either.
Last when you update you might have that problem with the voice over not being useful until you reset it. This happened to me even on the 5S when I restored from the backup.
Restoring voice over fixes it.
I have a friend that agrees her new boyfriend sound creepy. Lol
Screen sensitivity doesn't seem to be a problem on the 5S, but that might be due to me having learned to stroke the phone like I care about her. Smile.
Wayne, after reading DG's post, that's what I decided to do, upgrade my 4 to iOS 7 and back it up to the Cloud right before setting up my new 5S. I have to use the Cloud, because some bug in my 4 won't allow it to sync with iTunes. This has been the case for over a year now, so the iTunes back-up I have is very out-of-date. I could have replaced the phone, but since not syncing with iTunes was its only problem, and I hardly ever use iTunes, that wasn't worth it. So Cloud it is.
You'll lose a bit with the cloud, like passwords, and such, but that is an option. The computer is better.
Your contacts, cloud music wll return, but I'm not sure about your home screen layout, email accounts, and other data the cloud doesn't support.
Let us know how it goes.
Alicia, Honesly, if you have your apps update on the cloud, you does not need to update your phone to iOS 7. As i said earlier, iOS 7's performance on the 4 can be somewhat be questionable as some report that is slaggish and so on. Personally i use my 4 as a backup phone, and i don't want to upgrade it to 7 because like you, i found it already slaggish running 6.13, left a lone on 7. However, that is my personal choice.
When you got your 5S, one of the question it ask during setup is that do you want to set it up as a new device, or you want to restore from iCloud. Choose restore from iCloud, and select the date and restore you want and off you go.
It won't divert it to iOS 6, however, it will promps you that some of the apps will not be compareable with iOS 7.
What you need to do now is to back up your iphone4 to either iCloud or iTunes, doesn't matter if you choose to update or not to update your iOS on that phone.
Like now, i have 4 different apple device running different OS, and when i restore one device to another for one reason or another, the iOS will stay the same as to the device itself, even though i might share contents with other devices.
That's an idea as well.
I like to update the phone, that way my home screen and such come with the setup.
If I'm not going to use the 4 anymore, I don't care if it is slow or not.
That is odd too, some say there's is slow, some say not. I wonder what that depends on?
Wayne, I've done restores from Cloud back-ups before, and it's always retained my folder and home screen arrangements, etc. I know because it's a new phone in this case, my passwords probably will not be retained. Annoying, but oh well. I'd do it through the computer if I could, but since my 4 won't sync with the computer, I can't get an updated iTunes back-up to use.
Alicia, when you think about it, it is not necesarry a bad thing without having the passwords restore. It is simply and easy of course, but it can also compromise security if they allow passwords restore too.
Bare in mind though, to install iOS 7, you need to have iTunes 11 install.
I agree, I guess it isn't a big deal.
I also thought about the poster above me's suggestion about starting the phone from scratch.
If you go to a store, they set them up generally, so you don't see that choice of setup options until you connect it to a computer.
This was my experience just a couple days ago. Verizon set me up, restored my contacts, and turned on accessibility, the rest was up to me.
I had mine on the computer, so just dropped my stuff on the new phone, andupdated what was told me I needed to update.
I guess all the setup doesn't matter as long as you've got your music and pictures, and things unrelated to iTunes or Apple backed up somet place. The rest is just some fun time putting it back.
I updated my 4 to iOS 7 last night. Figured what the hell, I'd like to play with iOS 7 and get used to its changes before I had to get used to it and a whole new phone at the same time. Thankfully, my 4 seems to be handling it just fine. It's no faster or slower than it was before, though the touch screen is more sensitive, and Voice-Over now says my name wrong, as well as quite a few other names that it pronounced correctly before the update. There are some minor annoyances, but overall it seems to be good, and I do like things such as the control center. My 5S gets here Thursday, according to UPS, so we'll see how that goes.
I also turned on automatic updates for apps, so I don't have to worry about updating apps anymore.
As with all things, I'm more about the productivity than I am any dogma regarding how I input. I learned the hard way how to do dictation when my hand was all wrapped up.
Now I will use it when it's expedient, and it often can be. Not in a public place or anything, but still.
And I do love having Siri be able to turn things on and off.
As to touch screen sensitivity, the Wife is getting used to that on her Android. As sensitive as things can be for us, it's never as hard as it is for sighted people, because as soon as they touch it it goes off.
Leo, how do you turn on automatic updates for apps? I'm very interested in that.
Also guys, did you knwo you can block calls directly on your phone with IOS 7? Well, messages, calls, etc. Just a useful tidbit I came across.
I don't think I like the idea of automatic updates for all apps; I can't count the times I updated an app only to find it inaccessible.
Auto Update was asked to be turned on when I selected the Updates tab.
I understand what Meglet is saying, and thus begins one of those philosophical debates about the security and legitimacy of automatic updating, which never existed before arounhd 2003 or so.
I went with the auto option largely because I've always done that option as an IT professional for security reasons. Doesn't make as much sense on iPhone's walled garden approach, but nonetheless may still be valid: If Twitter changes something in their API (the method used by apps for communicating with Twitter), then your app updates to support the new API, it could be nearly seamless.
I can think of a number of ways this could be beneficial. Since I don't always check on accessibility of updates, I have been left in the lurch. Facebook and PlainText are a couple examples that hit me in the past.
So, how do we block calls and texts? I've used Do Not Disturb since last year, and I know iPhone is late to the table on blocking though.
if I'm not mistaken, when editing individual contacts, the option to block them is there.
I think all you have to do is go into the contact but you might have to be in the edit. It's one of the two.
Here's a question. My son and I have the same Apple ID. I have I Cloud turned off on both of our phones so he doesn't get my contacts, etc. However, when we text back and forth, the texts from him sometimes show as being from me. I'm also getting my own texts sent to me as well. Any ideas on how to fix this? The reason we share an apple id is because I didn't want to create one for him that I couldn't access since you have to enter a credit card.
yeah,I checked, and you're right, DG. you just have to be in the contact, and the block option shows up there.
also, something I've found is that when hitting "edit" to select messages to delete in the trash folder, when you touch the bottom of the screen, there's a "delete all" button, which saves you from having to select messages individually.
Oh so you have to add a contact to have it blocked. I guess I figured you could just create a list of numbers in Settings somewhere to block. People or places you don't know, but which make phone calls or texts to you as a wrong number or something.
no. I haven't seen anything like what you mentioned, leo. nice thought, though. they should implement it.
On the Apple ID, you don’t have to have a credit card on it when you create one, you can skip that step.
On the question about the selections you want for your pay, you’ll find one that says none. If you can’t find that, just set it up, then remove your pay method. I did this before I knew you could choose not to have one.
The best way to fix your issue Domestic is to give him his own ID and set parental controls on it when you set it up.
If you want him to have music, apps that cost money, under your own ID give him an allowance. You can set that to whatever amount you wish per month, and give or take it away as you need.
That is setup under your ID not his. Same with parental controls.
When you set up parental controls give the ID your email address, that way he can’t change it, passwords and such.
You can even keep him from changing settings, and such things directly on the phone, and depending on your carrier, even in your cellular account.
They’ve got all sorts of ways to keep your kids safe, because a smartphone is really an extreme device to have.
I also don’t like having automatic updating on for my apps.
Here is how I change that setting.
I go settings, iTunes and apps store. Under automatic downloads you find automatic updating, I tap mine off.
May I ask what model you chose for your son Domestic? He’s a lucky guy. Smile.
Oh, and just ask your boyfriend Siri to take you to settings. Neat stuff.
If you need step by step directions on setting up that ID let me know, and I'll describe it.
Actually, chelsea and leo, you can block numbers from settings. You go to settings, then phone I believe (I'll check on that when I have a moment) and you have the option to block a specific number or more that aren't on your contact list. The contact list blocking option is useful, but you most likely would want to block numbers that aren't on your list, so the settings option is better, and indeed, it exists.
I believe it says blocking, but I'd have to look as well.
Now here is an article on 7 new things you can ask Siri. I'm really in love with the old girl. Smile. No, I don't talk to the guy!
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-57604187-233/seven-cool-siri-tricks-in-ios-7/
(Credit: Jason Cipriani/CNET)
One of the biggest complaints echoed by many iOS users since the introduction of iMessage and FaceTime with iOS 5 has been the inability to block people.
All it would take was one person getting your iMessage or FaceTime phone number or e-mail address, and you were an open target to constant messages and calls.
With iOS 6 Apple added the ability to silence messages originating from addresses not stored in your Contacts, but there was still no way to block a user.
With iOS 7, Apple has added the ability for people to block phone numbers and e-mail addresses from contacting them via Phone, FaceTime, and Messages.
There are a few different ways to add an address to the block list. The first is through your call log in the Phone app. Tap on the "i" next to a phone number, and select "Block This Caller" at the bottom of the screen.
You can also block a user via the Messages and FaceTime apps by viewing your call history or the contact info for a given conversation.
You can also add someone to the block list by launching the Settings and then selecting either the Phone, Messages, or FaceTime option from the list. Within any of those respective pages you'll find the option to view your blocked list, and have the option to remove a contact, or add another by manually entering the contact info.
Whenever a number or address that's added to the blocked list tries to contact you, you won't even see a missed call or message alert. It'll be as if you never gave your number to that random stranger at the club the other night, only to find out he was a total creeper the next day. Oops.
In order to blocked One's number, that is not on your contact list, go to setting; phone; blocked; add new.
Also, just thinking, is that possible not to spam this topic to something else? e.g. what you can ask siri?
:)
I don't need to block numbers that aren't in my contacts, but it's good to know people can do so, if need be.
Awesome, thanks for the info on the Apple ID's. I'll have to get that fixed.
He got the 5C for financial reasons. lol I walked out of the store having spent $583 because I got the 32 gb version of the 5S. Oh yeah, Baby! Add cases, screen protecters, lightening adapters, and upgrade fees, and I think I've gotten my birthday, Christmas and anniversary presents for the next 5 years. lol He loves the C though. His is bright lime green. Of course he wanted the S but tough cookies, Kidlet. My first phone was like a brick the size of my head, had one ringtone, and only made calls. Love what ya got. lol
Oh, and just for the record, I only talk to the girl Siri. The guy is creepy. lol
Oh, holy hell, yall! I just updated my Audible ap and it's horrific! It took me 5 minutes to get signed in. The screen sensitivity is all kinds of jacked up. I don't experience this with any other ap per say, and certainly not to this extent. That leads me to believe that it's the Audible ap. Either way, be forewarned.
someone asked me earlier, if I used Siri, would I switch to the male voice? my answer was, no, I wouldn't.
maybe the women who switch to the male voice are homophobic. lol. jk.
Or they just prefer the sound of the male voice. That's like saying people who refuse to use the South African voice for VoiceOver are bigots.
Thought police much?
I think the remark funny. Lol
Yeah girls, what ya say? Smile.
Domestic, they did you up. I was treated to the same thing when I picked up my new phone from the store.
He started laying stuff on the counter, screen protectors, chargers, cables, cases, you name it, and added it all up in to the price of the phone. Just wonderful stuff, but nothing you need, and can't get online for way less.
I think it is a great selling trick for stores, because they get all these accessories sold. Pretty slick indeed. Makes a customer happy to when they get home with all the new toys. Smile.
Me, I just said, give me the phone. I didn't even need the box with the headphones and chargers, but he said it was free, and came with, so I took it too. hahaha.
Hi DG,
Wayne's advice on getting separate Apple IDs is what I'd recommend, but I think the behaviour you're describing in post 68 is down to iMessage and where it displays messages. YOu can have several phone numbers and your email address associated with an Apple ID, and you can also choose whether all the messages sent from your Apple ID display on all devices or just from the device that actually sent them.
And then of course, I remember that I did set him up with an apple id for his Ipod touch so I thought I'd lot into it just to be sure. Apparently I've forgotten the password. Grrr.
And to top it all off, I don't even really like the case for my phone. lol Ah well, such is life.
If you know the apple ID getting the password is easy to reset.
You can do it with a phone, or the computer.
Basicly, you type in the ID, than you say I forgot my password. Answer the security questions and all, and now you have it back.
On that case, you've got these 14 days to change your, um, mind?
Just in case you got home and your husband isn't talking to you for a month because of all that money you left at the phone store. JK.
All teasing aside, you've got a wealth of case choices for your phone, so don't keep that one if you hate it.
Once you have the ID, change it on his phone, and you are set.
my last comment wasn't meant to be taken seriously. glad at least one person saw the humor I was going for.
That's because life is good, and you are sweet, and everything is o.k Chelsea dear.
Of course it is funny. All these women have been stuck with Sarah for years, so....
Has she swayed many?
yes it is, Wayne.
now, when do you wanna try this white chocolate that is me? smile.
Lol.
Too funny.
Ok, one more question about Apple Id's. I should probably start a new topic. What about all the apps he's purchased over the years on his Ipod touch using my apple id? Can I still transfer them to his phone using ITunes? Will he be able to use them? Is there a way to have 2 ID's on the same device? I doubt it. This is making me crazy! Just sayin. lol
I did all that stuff on line yesterday but because I was interrupted during the process enough time passed between when the email to reset the pw was sent and when I clicked the link that the account got locked. Then I called Apple Tech support and the serial number on the Ipod wasn't showing up in there system bla fricken bla. All that to say, I was up to my eyeballs in Apple Id crap yesterday with no resolution. I decided to just set up a new account. Did yall know that the process is different via the ITunes store than it is via id.apple.com? Well, it is. The id.apple.com site is much better although their audio captia doesn't work. It was trying to play the audio using Windows Media Player and I kept getting a dialog that said the file extention did not match the file format. Finally, I just got Kidlet to read the captia and the new id is set up. I love love love Apple products but hate hate hate the whole ITunes and ID business. I understand why it's necessary but it's a real pain in the ass to have honestly purchased devices and apps and have such difficulty customizing them.
Ok, rant over.
I will answer this from a mac point of view, if you have to Idevices you can have two profiles or more with Itunes. I am not sure for windows, its going to freeze in hell before I touch that program apple put out for windows.
I guess I should answer my last post as to why I think Itunes for windows stinks to hi heaven, on the mac side of Itunes, you can play, pause, skip back and fore a track with just a few buttons. On windows its not so intergrated into the OS like apple has Itunes on OSX.
It is my opinion that you can run several Apple ID’s on the phone, but I feel it is more trouble than it is worth. I’ll explain how, then I’ll explain why I think as I do.
To switch Apple ID’s go to settings, iTunes and apps store.
Next tap on the showing ID.
Under that you will find sign out. Do so and sign back in with the other ID.
Now you can download any content associated with that ID.
Because it all belongs to you, you have no legal issues. You own it, and there is no rule I know of that says you can’t have multiple ID’s.
Here is the problem however. Many of the apps for the iPod won’t be usable for the phone, so you’d most likely need new anyway.
I assume his phone is only 16 GB, so he’s going to run out of space collecting music and apps for 2 ID’s in a hurry.
You create that texting issue, because when the phone is signed in to your ID, and not switched over, his text are now crossing again.
He’s got to keep switching depending on what he’s doing.
My solution is to load the music on to your computer, and just buy new apps.
When you’ve got the music on your computer that music can be put in to his personal iTunes library, and he can add and remove it as he chooses.
Next, when he’s purchasing new stuff, it goes in to his personal library, so you don’t have all that content to sift through when you sync your phone or he syncs his with iTunes.
Last, when he backs his phone up and you pack yours up to the cloud, you have separate settings, your personal apps, and anything else you put in the cloud. It is just easier to manage in my opinion.
Also, I'd sign out of iCloud as well when switching and sign back in on the other.
If anything I’ve written is gibberish, say and I’ll explain better.
I personally like iTunes for setting up the ID’s. I think it works pretty well, but can understand your frustration.
You’ve got it done now, so.
Last I forgotten. If you have a computer you use as a family system, give him an account on it. That way he can use his iTunes on it as well.
It is better to sync your phone with the same computer all the time. It is just simplar, and less hassle, and all the content stays uniform.
If you've set up parental controls, you can sign on to any ID at any time and see what's happening, so no worries there.
I forgot to say that I solved the problem of not being able to hear my text alert sounds, yesterday.
I simply deleted the contacts I had previously set individual tones for, re-added them, and it went back to the default setting. it works like a charm, now, so I thought I'd post, should anyone run into this issue.
So I showed my daughter iOS7 last night, she is an Android User using a Galaxy Note 2. She was just told how to use split window on that device, which is a bit bigger.
Anyway she asked how on the iPhone for which I don't know, or if you even could in a meaningful way. But what about that gesture you hear about with the iPad where you swipe from app to app, sort of like alt tab in Windows or something on the Mac? Is that possible with the iPhone 4S on iOS7? I know how to do the app switcher of course, but curious about this other window switching thing.
Oh, and on the audio deal. You can save it and than play it with iTunes. They assume you've got iTunes as your default player though. Lol
Use Firefox and webvisum and do the picture one maybe?
Now that I've done the technical?
White chocolate? MMM!
A little bit off topic, but I updated iTunes a couple of days ago and now their terms and conditions have apparently changed for the iTunes store. So as I was playing my music, this little popup interrupts and insists I agree before continuing. I hit the agree button with space, and with enter, over and over, with JAWS and with NVDA, but nothing happened. Finally, I managed to get the page to refresh and it brought up the "new and noteworthy" section, so I figured I'd managed to agree. But a few songs later it happened again. And again. It won't leave me alone no matter what I do. Any ideas?
OH no, that would bug the stuffing out of me.
Sorry I don't have any suggestions.
As an update, perhaps this is new to IOS 7 but according to the tech dood at Apple, you can have 2 id's on one device. My kid has his id on his facetime and mine for ITunes. This is done in settings. All is working as it should. Woohoo!!!
Ok, Wayne, now solve Meg's problem. lol
lol What would we do without him?
When I had to do the same thing, I just did my agreeing over the phone, and I haven't had an issue since. Maybe you should try that and see what happens. iTunes on the computer is barely accessible, at best. You're better off doing most of your stuff with it from the phone itself.
yep, I've never met him but he's helped me so much with various issues, I feel compelled to bake him my famous Chocolate Chip cookies. Sadly though, they would suck by the time they arrived. Ok, returning the topic back to it's original purpose.
Yes, I knew that was possible, but haven't tried, because I'm just one person, so. Lol
I still say it is more trouble than it is worth if you are just a me, but there it is?
Now, on that pest thing that wants you to agree to the terms. Let me check something, and I'll get back.
Everyone remember, Apple gives us 90 days free tech support when we purchase an Apple product. Make them work for your money!
I couldn't download the new user guide for some odd reason correctly. It would say it was downloading, but when opened be empty. An empty document wasn't helping me to learn all the new features I have no idea about, so I wanted it full.
I called them, and they got me one. So now I've just got some reading to do. Smile.
I should say I heard that was possible. Prehaps Domestic explain how it actually works?
When you turn on the phone, must you sign on and off of ID's or do you just have one set up on the music, and the other on the cloud?
My method works on anyone that hasn't updated. It was how I did it before Apple said I was suppose to. Lol
Meglet, here are some supposes.
What if you signed in to your account, or made sure you were, then went down to the bottom of any store page where you find the terms, click that and see if it ask you to agree to the one it says you haven’t?
I am sure you’ve tried all the tricks with the cursors and such, so I’ll not talk about these.
Last resort would be to vaporize the computer, delete the shortcut on the desktop, and reinstall iTunes. *sigh*
You must delete it from your programs before it is easy to reinstall. I did that as a test, and that was the way I could do it easy.
Got time? Smile.
You get it fixed, say how! I’ve not had the issue. Yet!
Exactly. In settings go to ITunes and app store and enter the id you want to use there. Then go to Facetime and enter the id you want to use there. IF the wrong one is sined in, just sign out and then enter the correct id. So far it seems to be working.
I'm still getting duplicate messages so I need to revisit that particular setting but everything else is working great.
for whoever who ask about running two account on the same device in any given time, the direct answer is no.
Can you have more than one account on the device, answer is yes.
You can share apps and your icloud content to a certain degree if that is what you want to do by signing out with your current ID,lets call it as ID1, and log in with another ID, lets call it as ID2 and download your apps or content from ID2 to ID1's phone that way.
Then, ones you finish, you can then sign out of ID2 and back to ID1 again. The complication with this is that you need to know which ID you are using at the same time, and which store. It is not so much of a problem if you are both in same country but it can creates problem if both IDs are using different country store, e.g. american store and uk store.
However, with ICloud and share content thru say calender, it might be easier to keep your phone with only one ID, and utilise those service that is available. You can go as far as sharing IMessage with multiple device, you can do so by having the same ID on multiple devices or share a same email address or phone number. For example, now i'm having 3 devices using 3 different phone numbers/emal address syncing each other IMessage, and i also share calender with few different co-workers for work purposes.
Hope this help to clarify some of the questions
Pain in the ass. Especially for a boy at what 11 or so? Lol
Never mind.
I have heard that IOS 7 has the ability, but haven't tried yet.
Glad to be past the pre-teen stage with the kidlet. Though mine would elbow me for having just referred to her as a kidlet. lol
He'll be 10 in December. I'm dreading the teen years.
Thanks Wayne! I'll try your suggestions as soon as I get my computer back. Power supply went yesterday; I'm very sad. By the way, DG, I've shipped chocolate chip cookies quite a long distance and they were fine, so maybe you can send them after all! :)
Good news for those of you with the 5, 4s, and 4 mottles. The update for IOS7.02 showed up on my phone earlier this afternoon. I have the 4s, so you may want to check for updates. Though, if yours works the same as mine, it alerted me and said that the IOS7.02 update was available.
Hi DG,
If you have both your and your son's phone numbers associated with the same ID and don't want to see your son's iMessages, the easiest way is probably to toggle iMessage off and on again on your son's phone. This may cost you the price of a standard text message as Apple and your carrier revalidate, but it should cause a pop up to appear on your phone saying that your son's phone number has been associated with the Apple ID and asking you if you want to view the iMessages. Just click no.
YOu can probably change this in settings too but this was the quickest way I found to do it.
I suspect the 4 will be supported a while, like the 3G. You see in China, and some other places, the networks aren't up to speed, and Apple wants a part of these markets.
It is also the reason I feel, used iPhones are trading at such a great clip right now.
The 4 and 4S aren't all that different, than you jump to the 5 and 5C, and these are exactly alike pretty much. That was the reason the Chief at Apple said they were discontinuing the 5, they have it, just dressed up.
I've not learned yet, what fixes the new update gives. Anyone have info on that?
7.02 you mean? It's supposed to address a security flaw that would allow people to unlock the phone even when a passcode was set. I'm not sure what else it does if anything.
If the Apple ID is the one his momma uses for music, and she gets in the mood and buys a bunch of old lady songs. *sigh* He's got to swipe all afternoon to restore his phone to cool. Smile.
Don't forget to set the setting that doesn't download automaticly now. Lol.
Just to much work.
I'll bet he's the envy at school, even with some of his teachers. Brand new 5C? Oh, yeah!
Better oldies than Justin Beiberlake.
See what I mean? Wonder if that's in the parental controls someplace.
"restrict your kid from listening to music you dislike, on or of."
That would be brilliant, and you should be able to block sportscasts of teams if your child was showing unhealthy tendencies for the wrong team.
That, and I guess there was also some bug that was associated with the keyboard to type in the pass code. I didn't have any problem, but better of them to fix it if there was one anyway.
LMAO, that's too llfunny. Even more ironic is that I'm currently listening to some awesome 90s music while reading this. Litterally, right as I was giggling at Wayne's, message, my son says, "What kind of crappy music is this?" It was Duran Duran's Ordinary World, BTW.
lol, guys. thanks for the laugh.
Justin Beiberlake? love it!
I'm not a fan of Timber or Beibs, so maybe that's why I wasn't horribly insulted. haha.
oh, and, I didn't get an alert about the latest software update. I had to go into settings to pull it up.
hehe.
I am not sure why this has happened, but a couple times I somehow managed to turn speech off while voiceover remained on. I had to reset my phone and when I did this the speech worked. I never experienced this before updating my phone, and I'm not sure the gesture I am doing that makes this happen. Does anybody know what I am doing and how to turn it back on without resetting the phone?
Does doing a 3-finger double tap work?
Hmm.. the new update fixed a issue where vo did not properly register the number of fingers touching the screen at one given time. I am so!!! glad this is fixed.
That was it, Dg. That is a very interesting thing to have, but I guess it would make sense if you wanted your phone to be completely muted but still have the ability to turn it back on. This will come in handy when I'm in class. That way I don't have to turn the phone off and missing if I get a message, and my phone won't start randomly talking when I get a notification. Lol
on the side of the phone, there's a switch you can use to mute or unmute your phone, in case some of you didn't know.
True, but some alerts still sound.
Ryan, you can tell Siri to turn voice over on or off as well.
Welcome to manhood. You didn't read the manual. Smile.
Lol I don't really read instructions, or as some call them destructions...
Ryan, sometime the multiple finger justures could trigger without you needing to do anything, just by having more than one finger close to the screen. Like Starfly, me too, is so glad that it is fix now. The mute and unmute switch on the right side of the phone does not mute or unmute voiceover. only way you can unmute VO is either turning down your volume completely to zero, or having speech onn or off. Also, the right side switch could also change for screen rotation lock or unlock...
Yay, I'm so glad to have had the helpful solution. Woot woot! I actually thought of this thread today because I did that very same thing and the 3-finger double tap worked. That is an odd thing to have happen but at least it's easy to fix and there are some uses. I'm thinking turning speech off would be helpful in the instance where you're listening to something and the screen dimmed or screen locked messages are annoying. I just thought of that so will have to try it tonight. I'm just not one for having my speech off. lol It makes me nervous.
Before they fix it so it doesn't talk during calls, I'd turn mine off, so that text and emails wouldn't announce.
That was when I had the 4S and 6. With 07 it is even easier.
I didn't have much issues with it going off before the update, but again 07 isn't all the same for all users it seems.
I'm still trying to figure out the move that allows you to forward, email, and such text messages, and get in to that section.
I've read the manual even, and called Apple.
I got it to work twice, but that is that. Lol
I know the switch on the side doesn't mute voiceover, but thought some would find it helpful, if they were concerned about sounds being disruptive.
I've never had to forward a text message, so didn't know doing so was even an issue, till Wayne told me.
I think it's in the actions rotor for the particular text message. I only had to once a while ago and I had to call dial-a-fool (get help from a teenager) to do it as nobody even knew how but we needed to forward something that was in a text.
Before 07 it was really easy. You could email, forward it as a text, add it to your address book if there was a phone number in that text, and other things.
I wrote about deleting the messages, or indivigual messages without removing the persons name from the main window. All that is under the option that is difficult to get to now.
If you've only got a number in the text, tapping it will dial it, it you go to the contact window, but the rest is harder.
The instructions are in the manual, but...
I'm talking the update from 6 to 7. That is when it all got tricky.
Hi,
To forward a message, choose it and select 'more ... ' from the actions rotor. The forward button appears where it was in iOS6.
Another reason for turning speech off while Voiceover is running is if you want to use a braille display and don't want speech feedback at the same time.
How does one choose it? That is the problem? Lol
Well I just double tap the message, choose more, and hit forward. Then the usual new message comes up and I can add recipients etc.
ah/huh! You'd think that should work right? Lol
Maybe its my fingers?
I've gotten it to go twice, but for the life of me, I can't do it again?
If this goes on and I just can't stand it anymore, I'm gonna go to the Apple store and say "help!" Lol
Before the update you could select several messages and send them were you wanted, or even the conversation.
I don't need this often, but sometimes it comes in handy when someone says she said he said, and well you understand?
Here's a thought that just came to me.
Is your phone set to touch or tap? I'm going to change it to see, but just wondering?
I like the touch typing, but maybe that is my issue?
I doubt touch typing would matter.
from what they're saying, you now have to use the rotor to forward text messages. if that's right, I hope I never need to forward one, as that gesture is impossible for me to do.
You still can forward multiple messages. Once you've selected 'more' the first time, you can double tap messages and they become automatically selected without needing to click 'more' again. This is working for me every time.
In terms of needing to use the rotor, mine seems to default to actions each time I go into messages, which would be great if I wanted to forward or delete a lot of messages, but as I don't, I find it fairly annoying.
Okay, I've had some time on my hands, so I fooled around and even got it to work 8 times straight.
I believe I messed it up though by looking at things in the roter.
I can see options, edit, and some other stuff.
I selected 'more' and that is how the manual says you have to do it.
I don't think it bother me if it was available all the time, so next time I select it, I'm going to leave it and see.
I have lots to delete, but don't necessarily want to remove the names from the first screen.
Ive got people I text on a daily bases, so when I had my 4S I'd just leave them there, but delete the conversations.
Thanks for the idea Ed. You helped me much.
Have any of you here found that the quality of serie has gone down the crapper? Now to explain myself, I asked serie to find a local urgent care near me, she did that all went smooth and then when she ask me would I like to call I said "yes". Serie came back and said "to whom would you like me to call." Now this is after asking me if I wanted her to call the urgent care center she currently found. As most of you know i am an android user so I want to make clear here I am not out to bash serie, I am asking my question to see if any other here have seen issues with serie.
Starfly,
After updating from iOS6 to iOS7 I turned Siri off for a few minutes, then turned her back on again and she seems to work better now.
Also I read it can be challenging for the new Siri and dictation software to have a lot of apps running in background, so I tend to practice good hygiene when it comes to apps in the app switcher. Dare I say, almost to Windows Mobile proportions? Lol. Not a necessity but it can help.
So, after this IOS7 update, my phone can no longer sink with out the Lightening cable or iCloud sink. I have a case that has a battery pack built in and it charges via a USB many cable which is standard on any MP3 or android device. If my iPhone is in its case it will just charge the battery and not sink to save my life. Any of you seen this issue?
Siri gives me all sorts of problems after upgrading. She has to think an awful long time before giving a reply, but what really drives me nuts is when she comes back and says that she can't give me an answer now and that I should try later. JFC! If I wanted treatment like that I'd just ask a human being. :-)
Starfly I don't know why technically, but some battery cases, like the one you have are not compatible with IOS 7. When purchasing them, you have to make sure they are.
I know you had yours first, but that is why.
Thanks for the explanation I got mine when iOS 6 without
I have a Mophie Juice Pack Plus. It works wonderfully. It uses voice over to tell you what is happening.
If you get in the mood for another, that be what I'd buy.
Mophie has other models as well, all compatible.